today in the ED, was a bad day. or disaster. or madness. however way you want to call it, our shopfloor was full and overflowing. don't ask me why, but all sorts of patients came streaming in - from knee pain to workplace lacerations to high fevers. they came in fast and furious, and were hence admitted just as furiously.
it doesn't take a genius to figure out then, that when the emergency department is full, the wards will be full. so the back log became progressively worse and patients piled up outside the main area and they were made to wait for many hours before their beds were ready.
and it didn't help that just last week an article was published in the papers about a new fangled bed management system that has helped cut down waiting time for beds. we all know what the reality is, but the public of course believes in the magic two hours mentioned almost four times in the short article.
so what happened? relatives and patients began to yell at the poor nurses, who are the ones tasked with speaking to them about their beds and ward allocations. "why does it take one hour just to clean the bed?" one son yelled, completely unaware that his father was one of the lucky ones who got a bed within two hours of admission.
what does yours truly think is the problem?
expectations.
i recall a patient who fumed,"i am also in the service industry!" just because she was not getting the "service" she was expecting - an admission. we have become a society where we are spoilt for choice. if a particular retailer is unable to provide us with what we want, there's always another next door. hence the customer is always right, and whatever he asks, must be done.
medicine is not and should not be a service industry. it is already prevalent in the states, and even amongst the doctors in the private sector, but this should not be the case - and the public should awaken to this fact. you cannot walk into a hospital and decide how you should be treated. we are not a hotel in which you can order a room and room service to come with it.
but of course, with all the medical tourism and competition going around, "service" has now become very important and many times takes priority. we have now become afraid of complaints, much more than those big multinationals who have billions of dollars to lose. i remember a time when mcdonalds barely batted an eyelid when people got hurt trying to rush for some "limited edition" hello kitty dolls, or mattel getting bashed by psychologists for glorying the wrong body type in barbie. these companies know that people will always be hooked on big macs, and that little girls will always love brushing barbie's hair. -we- know that people will always fall sick and need our attention, but every complaint letter is dealt with the utmost respect and fear, even though that we could have had the patient's best intentions in mind.
we are now mindful of everything we do, everything we say. thou shalt not greet the patient with an unsmiling face (even though it's now 4pm and you haven't eaten/peed/pooped in the last 8 hours). thou shalt not make the patient wait for more than two hours for bloods/beds/specialist reviews (even though all these are way beyond your control, especially as a lowly MO).
the hospital is now a hotel, that's what it is.
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Patient - My Mother
Proceedure - Brain Surgery to remove Tumour
Registered for admission at 11am. Bed ready at 3.30pm.
4.00pm asked to vacate because someone else needs it more urgently.
Rescheduled for consultation with doc following week.
so how long did it take you to realize this?
Anyway just play the game. If they want medicine to be a service industry then let it be a service industry. Just do what the patients want. Who gives a damn what is best for them? They know best don't they?
In the end you cannot have your cake and eat it. It is like telling the lawyer how he should defend you and telling the judge he is being rude to you.
Talk so much about professionalism.....but are doctors professionals anymore?
You are wrong; medicine IS a service industry.
Looks like some doctors cannot take it and cannot make it.
medical doctors and colleagues.....the more you fight that medicine is not a service industry the worse it gets.
I say we give the people what they wish for and let them then understand the phrase "be careful what you wish for".
Let medicine be a service industry where customer knows best and just give all these people what they want ant dictate and see where it all takes them!
No point fighting. In Singapore medical workers have no union and no say. Let the admin people answer to the "consequences" of giving everyone what they want. Don't be the one who says no to customers. Say yes to everything.
anyway, is anybody here interested in knowing how to get into australia as a doctor or a nurse?
full of nonsense patients are never tolerated here in australia/nz/uk.
no wonder there is such a low rate amongst overseas student returnees from australia/nz.
Err, just to clarify that I didn't post this entry, despite its ED theme.
In fact, I don't recall any of S'pore MD's contributors, aside from myself, being ED-based.
So please don't send my HOD or CEO an angry email asking for my head. Thank you.
I'm VERY interested in knowing how to get into australia as a doctor. With all these rubbish patients in hospitals nowadays, it's getting harder and harder to find the reason why I entered medicine in the first palce
rubbish patients, rubbish customers.....
They behave badly, throw tantrums and we give in to them all in the name of "SERVICE".
Nonsense.
I wonder how Singaporeans bring up their children. Everything their children want they give them?
It's called spoiling the child. And it's the same with customers. If you spoil them the demands they make just get worse.
You have to draw a line somewhere. I recall a HOD telling the staff that there is a THIN RED LINE between a demanding patient and an abusive patient. I wonder what is so thin about that line? It should be darn THICK if you ask me! It goes to show how much crap the health care workers take such that the difference between being abused and giving service is just a bloody THIN red line!!!!!
just another mo (slave)
first, u have to pass the australian medical council exams.
if you can pass singapore nus MBBS exam or FRCP or family medicine exams, u can easily clear the AMC.
www.amc.org.au
u will need to pass both the mcqs and also the clinical exam.
with the clinical, it is best that u attend some of the amc exam preparatory workshops
http://www.amc.org.au/index.php/img
You need to pass AMC if you studied in Singapore.
Try NZ, it is the only country other than Singapore that accepts NUS MBBS.
You need 3 years out of last 4 years working in a comparable system like Singapore.
spacefan......so if none of this blog's contributors is ED based except for yourself as you say so then the person who wrote this entry has to be you lah.
Don't pretend lah. Anyway you sure kena those emails one lah. Good luck.
i do know of indian drs in australia who did not work for 3-4 years in india prior to coming to australia and they passed their amc exams.
but it also meant that they have to start all over again in australia.
i do suggest that before u finish up your 5 year bond (if u are a nus grad) u should start your AMC exam prep work. better start the ball rolling
if you have just recently sat for your mrcp or nus mbbs, it is an added advantage as your knowledge is still fresh
in australia, it is a health care providers paradise. no such thing as FON patients here.
The 'demanding' ones here in australia are pussy cats compared to the typical demanding ones in singapore!!
i have been working in australia for the last ??? years and i enjoy every minute of it - and i attend to public billing patients, not private ones.
pay wise - it is not that hard to check out how much drs are paid here
if you are keen to work in a rural area or area of need, the cash register rings non stop
i do know of a singaporean GP dr here in nsw who makes A$2k per day working in rural units! that is more than what a new specialist is paid in sgp
Australia is closing door to foreign trained doctors soon.
Go before they make it official.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/medical-students-miss-out-on-internships/story-e6frg6nf-1225910125365
Anon 1 Oct 0702 said: "I wonder how Singaporeans bring up their children. Everything their children want they give them?
It's called spoiling the child. And it's the same with customers. If you spoil them the demands they make just get worse."
Read the article in Life! section today - kids tell their parents how to decorate their bedrooms, all fancy-schmancy.
No wonder adults these days also behave like the whole world revolves around them.
sick of being promised a training position and being marginalised by your own kind?
sick of being abused by FON admin and clients day in and out?
keen to get into the australian health care system soon before the doors are shut?
for links to working in australia, come and check out this webpage
http://www.ochrerecruitment.com.au/resources-australia.html
Oh yes yes ... here we go again. Medicine is a service industry, healthcare workers must please the customers, etc etc etc .... yawn!
Sorry ladies and gentlemen, if service standards in the government hospital are not up to your standards, I am sure the private hospitals like Mt E and Gleneagles will be happy to serve you better. Why don't you take your business there? No problem with me.
Oh! And please don't get started about your 'rights' to subsidized healthcare - just look at the small taxes that you pay compared to UK/Aust/NZ.
Give the healthcare workers in the government service a break - we are all going out of our way to help by staying back overtime (without extra pay) and putting up with your unreasonable demands.
Does anyone not get the main thrust of this post? No doctor worth their salt would let the healthcare system degenerate like this, no matter how tempting it might seem to let the patients and administrators get their just desserts. 'Caveat emptor' is exactly the worst sort of attitude that the administrators embrace to justify their mismanagement
The problem is that in the end, the patients and administrators will get what they think they need, but neither will be any the wiser. Patients will have submissive doctors who capitulate to their demands, and they wouldn't care whether their quality of life has suffered as a result, because they wouldn't know. At the same time, the administrators assume that going for patient satisfaction is for the better, while playing the statistics game to show how much more wonderful the system is.
"No doctor worth their salt would let the healthcare system degenerate like this, no matter how tempting it might seem to let the patients and administrators get their just desserts."
What?!!!
Sorry pal. You can go fight this battle on your own. Don't you know the healthcare system has ALREADY degenerated to that? The battle was lost long long ago liao.
Anyway, why should doctors try so hard not to let it degenerate? It's not like we get more pay to do that right? Nor do we get promoted by going against the administrators right?
Forget it lah. Just play the game. The ones who hold the gold make the rules!
Anon is right, Tolong.
Yoir kind of attitude allows people to continue to exploit doctors who stay in the public sector.
Doctors who are "worth their salt" should exit the public sector and allow subsidised healthcare to fail.
A real doctor puts patient above their personal well being.
Fake doctors are those who leave the public sector for selfish reasons.
The extremely lousy doctors are those who hope to destroy our cherished subsidised healthcare!
That's strange.
Many doctors here want to go and work in the even more heavily subsidized healthcare sector in Australia and the UK.
"The extremely lousy doctors are those who hope to destroy our cherished subsidised healthcare!"
Sure - why shouldn't YOU cherish the subsidised healthcare system? YOU are getting the better end of the bargain.
Everything bad.....blame doctors.
Everything good.....credit administrators.
What a wonderful game!
What is good and bad for the patient? There is only one person who can decide that. The patient. So doctors please remember this. It is no longer about you. It is about the patient. Keep it simple. Forget about therapeutic privileges and just give patients full disclosure about everything. Any mistakes that happen have to be told to the patient ASAP. Tell the patient everything about every procedure and drug and let them decide. If they choose for whatever reason to do something you FEEL is not good for them, so be it, it is their decision. As long as you have given all the information, you have done your job. It is not our job to save everyone and to treat everyone successfully. It is our duty to help patient choose what they want and walk away from the hospital satisfied customers whether they live or die satisfied that they made their own choices.
Shift in paradigm lah. It is a lot simpler this way seriously. Don't put so much pressure on yourselves. We are just service providers. Like when you go to a mobile phone shop and wonder whether to sign with Singtel, Starhub or M1. The guy at the counter will give you information and you decide. No right or wrong. As long as you made the decision yourself, later if you are not happy you also cannot kpkb.
Oh and also.....document everything you said. Take your time to see patients. Be meticulous and careful. That is also part of your duty. I know admin people like to push you to be faster better cheaper. But be clear what your priorities are. Customer satisfaction and making sure your ass is covered medical/ethical wise.
"Oh! And please don't get started about your 'rights' to subsidized healthcare - just look at the small taxes that you pay compared to UK/Aust/NZ."
How come people in HK get more heavily subsidized healthcare?
There is less out-of-pocket payment. Don't tell me that they pay more in taxes than people in Singapore do. Their income tax rates are lower and there is no sales tax.
The same goes for people in Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, etc. Yes, Malaysia. How come their public healthcare is more heavily subsidized?
Don't use UK/Australia/NZ as the Bogeymen.
Fox,
You may like to know that the tax rates of Singapore, HK, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan are similar for the average Joe. You might also like to know that those in the higer earning brackets in the other contries pay more taxes in % terms. Put simply, taxes in Singapore are very low even when compared to these countries.
Moreover, there is greater access to subsidized healthcare in Singapore in terms of waiting time when compared with them.
So I would say that people are getting a lot more bang for their buck here!
Oh by the way, please feel free to go to the Malaysian doctors across the causeway with your medisave if you think you can get better quality of care at a cheaper price.
I find it amusing that doctors are supposed to sacrifice their personal well being for patients, and in return what do we get? We get demanding patients, unappreciative relatives, and complaint letters. No thanks, I'll take my 'selfish reasons' of actually having free time, and a decent salary
Still have 4 and a 1/2 years to go to finish my bond, which includes NS. Hope the Aust medical system will still be accepting of SG grads at that time! With people like the above poster, no way am I staying here, and being overworked, underpaid, and unappreciated.
@Public Sector Doctor,
Please... income tax rate in Singapore is higher than income tax rate in HK? Come on.
Also, a very small percentage of Singapore's tax revenue goes into public health care subsidies, much smaller than most of what other countries have. Before 2009, Singapore spent around 3 to 4 percent of its tax revenue on public health care subsidies. Even now, it is only around 5 percent.
I'm pretty sure that out-of-pocket payment for public clinics and hospitals in Taiwan, HK and South Korea is close to zero. These are publicly available facts that you can google. Singapore has the HIGHEST out-of-pocket payment in terms of percentage amongst the Asian tigers.
Don't kid yourself. Public healthcare subsidies is a very very small part of the Singapore government's expenditure, compared to the expenditure in other countries. Most of the government's expenditure goes towards defence, education and 'national development', NOT public healthcare subsidies. The situation is totally different in other counties.
Why do you think public sector doctors in HK make much more than their counterparts in Singapore?
My suggestion for public hospital admin is that if patients or their family request for admission when there is no obvious need, that they be assigned to private class immediately and not 1 week later. Truthfully you treat hospital as a hotel you might as well pay for a hotel. While we may be considered a service industry, being in public sector means we have to be mindful of the very sick and we should reserve space and time for them.
This can be subjected to abuse as greedy doctors will pretend all cases do not need to be admitted to c class and force patients to be admitted to a class instead.
The solution to solve the bed crunch is to allow portable subsidies to the private hospitals.
Choosing what class to stay in should always be the patient's choice.
We should not let greedy docs decide.
They love to say, if u pay u see me.
If you dont pay, you see my trainees which are just as good as me 20 years ago.
Who dare to stay in subsidised wards?
We got to be realistic.
Different countries have different tax systems, health systems, political systems.
For those healthcare workers who work locally in Singapore, during student years/attachments etc., we have already gotten a glimpse of what working life is about.
And ALL of us have been healthcare consumers at some point in time.
The system here is as such. There's bound to be different pros and cons compared to other countries.
It has always been an informed choice for medical students, nurses, therapists and the rest.
Make the choice depending on your different aptitude, backgrounds, aspirations and expectations.
For those who wish to shape the system to your own ideas, feel free to voice your opinions and work with the senior doctors/administrators to win them over to your ideas. Just like any big systems/organisations, changes would be slow and I certainly don't expect to see any day/night changes.
If your ideas are great, beneficial, I'm sure some sensible senior folk will listen and hopefully act on it.
For those who really find the local system to be unsuitable, it has always been a free job market.
Just like many foreign doctors have come to Sg to work, many have also left for overseas.
"If you dont pay, you see my trainees which are just as good as me 20 years ago.
Who dare to stay in subsidised wards?"
Wow.
Allowing people to pay to get better goods and services, or to put it another way, allowing people who can offer better goods and services to receive more for supplying them... what a totally repugnant idea!
For once, I agree with angry doc.
These doctors are the worst.
Only want to see private patients, when patients downgrade to C class, they ask their juniors to treat them instead.
Are doctors supposed to treat all patients equally?
This is sad :(
not allow the considerations of race, religion, nationality or social standing to intervene between my duty and my patient
*face-palm*
This is hilarious!
Anon 23:47 - You might like to re-read angry doc's post and think of the word "sarcasm". Good luck!
just another mo(slave): be patient. the 4.5 years will end pretty quickly. use this time to study and pass the australian medical council exams or australian FRCGP - i won't waste my energy in uk MRCP.
but the master of family medicine (sg) is accredited here with the royal australasian college of gps.
patients in rural australia welcome doctors with open arms.
use this 4.5 years to build up your experience. remote medicine will be piece of cake for you. :)
don't waste your time on ungrateful brats who cow peh cow bu.
lots of singaporean, malaysian and south african drs have fitted in very well in the medical system here
The Grass is always greener, having seen the NHS system in UK first hand as a student, patient and doctor, i must say that Singapore's system owns it hands down.
So what if there are some lame patients around, just suck it up and deal with it, whats the issue?
Will running away to a foreign land help? To leave behind your family friends and food and adjust to a new place just to meet patients who MIGHT be nicer?
Thats juvenile.
"So what if there are some lame patients around, just suck it up and deal with it, whats the issue?"
The issue is that no one should have to suck it up. No one should have the right to abuse healthcare workers who are doing their job, and no one should have the right to demand that they just suck it up when they are abused.
That is the issue.
zzang - "Will running away to a foreign land help? To leave behind your family friends and food and adjust to a new place just to meet patients who MIGHT be nicer?
Thats juvenile"
sounds very culturally anemic to me and lame.
the south african doctors and nurses for an example choose to leave the ungodly conditions in their home town for greener pastures, is there anything wrong with it?
just to let u know that asian food is readily available from melbourne city - not too far from where i reside.
family and friends r never far from me.
patients in western countries do play by certain rules (they will be kicked out by hospital security if they don't)which the local singaporean patients don't, for an example, not abusing front line staff.
nobody has the right to be abused.
the NHS has it strength which the local system lacks and vice versa. no system is picture perfect.
but one thing is sure, the morale of the health care staff at the NHS and in NZ/australia is higher/lower (please choose the correct answer) than ours? - u don't need to be a rocket scientist to answer this.
zzang,
leave behind family friends and food and adjusting to a new place is something that was done so that Singapore exists as it is today.
In fact, there are many such people coming into the Singapore leaving behind the same in their home countries. So are they lame as well?
Singapore's system is very good for patients. Patients are king and dictators. Just that despite this, Singaporeans still complain.
Luckily Singapore is still a country where you have freedom to choose what you want to do. And the price is merely having to put up with communicating with family and friends via internet/video conferencing and adapting to slightly different styles of food in new countries. I think if such a price is deemed too much for you, then one must ask what about those who have to risk death or incarceration to leave their countries? Myanmar?
Don't complain. Just do what you want to do and be strong.
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